Amen, End of Prayer or Egyptian God ?
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Amen,
We would like to take the time to mention about a word that we feel is wrong to use, as the bible tells us not to use the names of pagan gods.
Exodus 23:13 And in all that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.
Yehowshuwa told us how to pray to his Father Yehowah.
Matthew 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. [ his name is (Yehowah)]
10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. (Amen?)
The word Amen in my opinion should not be added to the end of any prayer,
because this is a name of an Egyptian god, meaning 'the hidden'.
This deity of Egypt is mentioned in Nahum 3:8 as populous of No. In the Strong's Concordance in Hebrew #527 as Amown.
The Almighty Yehowah told us not to make mention of the name of other
gods. So it would be highly unlikely he would have us use it at the end of a prayer. By adding this word to the end of a prayer it would sound like you are praying to the Egyptian deity Amen. Or Amen-Ra.
Remember we are to use the true names, and no other,Yehowah the Father, and Yehowshuwa for his son.
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Another thing I would like to mention is the Obelisk, which is where the sun god Amen-Ra is claimed to reside. He was worshiped as the creator god in Egypt. , they claimed that he resided in the Obelisk.
There are three city states in the world that are like a sovereign city within Country, or State. And each of these three cities have an Obelisk.
1. Vatican, 2. Washington DC., 3. City Center of London.
Here we have the Roman Catholic, the Protestant, and the Anglican, all three appear to be worshiping the god Amen. Why else would they have these Obelisks. The one in London coming all the way from Egypt. All these religions end there prayers with Amen. Even Secret Societies, when saying their ritual prayers, they too end it with Amen.
This appears to me to be the reason for omitting the true name of the Almighty Yehowah and adding to the bible the false name Amen, and you may notice that it is always with a capitol A in the KJV, thus making this word a proper noun, like a name. Also notice that this is one of the few words that has not been translated, but has been transliterated. It is also the most known word in the World.
Also worthy of note is that the Jews, the Christians, and the Muslims end their prayers, with the word Amen.
Satan, the master deceiver, has been out to enslave all people. Satan was also the highest angel, so he is very clever. He would deceive the very elect if it were possible.
Exodus 20:2 I, Yehowah, thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness that in heaven above, or that in the earth beneath, or that in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I, Yehowah, thy God a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
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I appreciate your comment. But I believe we don't know the vowels used. Some say it is Amon, some say Amen, some say Amun . The Strongs concordance says, Amown. I have a bible dictionary that states Amon or Amen, the hidden, so to me it is too close to the Egyptian deity to use at the end of a prayer. dedicated to the Almighty Yehowah.
I thank you very much
"Amen" is an ancient Hebrew word. The English equivelent is Verily" or "So be it."
Amen is in the OT 22 times, Hebrew #543 amen. Before the vowels were added, it would be written in Hebrew as MN. The Hebrews came out of Egypt, and they would have known that the Egyptian creator was MN, could there be a link? For some reason this is one of the few words that has been transliterated through Greek, then Latin, and finally English. Yet the true name of the Almighty, has been hidden. Leaving me to believe that this is Satan's way to have people worshiping him, so I refrain from it's use.
Thank you for your insight
Your retarted. The god you refer to IS Amun...as in Amun Ra, who was actually a pheroh. Go learn some history, and don't rely on one book. Expand your horizons, and think for yourself for all the god's sakes!!
It's kinda niether here or there the spelling or pronounciation. The truth is, the reson for the similaritys and the obelisks is that Christianity IS a spon of Egypt and it's important no matter your faith, to know the Origen.
I can appreciate your thought and clarity on this particular subject. I to struggle from time to time with scripture and the usage of this word, which is precisely why I am on your page, searching for answers. But God the creator of all has gone by many names "I AM" "Jehovah" etc. every name given in scripture should not be scrutinized by the faithful. This I found myself doing after reading something online. It bothered,me tested my faith, but in the end God reminded me of this simple truth " My word will never die". Man is clever crafty and sinister, so is satan, but not so clever to cause God to make a promise to you he cannot keep. I don't read all versions of the scripture just kjv, but every word contained in it I believe, sometimes grudgingly but the truth always comes and my faith grows because of it. No man or angel has the power to supersede the word of God if you believe that, it would seem that "you have a form of Godliness but deny the power thereof". Thank You and God Bless You Amen.
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
I have been studying theology for a very long time. Perhaps I can help to clear this up.
The Hebrews AND Egyptian priests had common social and cultural roots via the Semetic (as in descendents of Shem) tribes, although others might argue it was Hametic (as in descendents of Ham), irregardless, BOTH were sons of Noah & therefore still had identical roots. The same was true of the Sumerians and the Chaldeans (Who eventually became the Babylonians). The Hebrew & Egyptian languages also had the same roots. If you look beyond the Egyptian's ancient hieroglyphs, to the day-to-day writings, BOTH wrote using consonates and vowels were interchangable. There are numerous places where NSR meant the same for Hebrew or Egyptians irregardless of which vowel they were spoken with. The "Amun" & Amen" arguement is moot as they are the same root word.
As for a all-encompassing ancestry of Egypt as a country, there was no such thing, as rulership of Egypt went back and forth, between, Nubian, Hyksos, Semetic and other dynasties depending upon the current conquering/controlling nation. Sometimes the Hebrews were allied with Egypt, sometimes they were not. What added more problems to the hindsight concerning the Egyptian religious heritage is that conquering kings often established themselves as Gods to be worship by their subjects.
Yes Amen, and you can write the name Amun, Amon, Ammon, Hamon, etceteras, regardless it WAS the name of an Egyptian God, however what many laypersons do not know is that the Egypt religion was not solely based in pantheon worship of a variety of fetish & pharonic gods. There was also a monothesiastic element that recognized a single greator, universal creator god. Pharoah Amenhotep IV made a decree outlawing the worship of all other gods during his rule other than that universal creator god. In the Egyptian religion, that was who Amen was. By the way, the 18th Dynasty; the Thutmoses (AKA Thoth-Moses="born of Thoth") & Amenhoteps were Semetic kings. Hollywood has painted the Exodus as occuring in the 19th Dynasty of Seti & Ramsesses II. This may be, although the scriptures do not say who was king, Ramsesses I was an Egyptian general and friend of the last 18th Dynasty king Horemheb and very old when he took power. His heritage is unclear, but his mother was born in the former Hyksos capital, which could easily make his line and Dynasty non-Semetic.
I should point out that there was no such thing as Hebrews as a race of people prior to Jacob, who fathered the twelve tribes (which later became the Jewish nation). Jacob, who was, by pharoah, placed in one of the highest political positions one could hold without being a member of the royal family.
Maybe you recall the story of Moses (Egyptian word for Heir), who is credited with writing the first five books of the Torah, recognized in the Christian Bible as the first five books of the Old Testament. He was an infant when he was placed in his reed ark & soon after adopted by an Egyptian princess. As a member of the Royal family, his education fell under the responsibility of the EGYPTIAN priests, not Hebrew Rabbis (remember "Rabbi" means teacher), because Rabbi's did not exist until AFTER the Exodus, and the establishment of the Aaronide & Levite Priests. Who taught their doctrine, from the five books THAT MOSES WROTE WHILE THEY WANDERED IN THE WILDERNESS.
Why have some people throughout the centuries felt it neccessary to retranslate and omit or change words, passages, or books parts of the scriptures because it raises questions that make them uncomfortable? The Holy Inquisition had the phrase "Thou shalt not suffer a poisoner to live." changed to "Thou shalt not suffer a WITCH to live." and then used that as a basis for their massive "Witch-hunts". Yet they weren't just going after people that worshipped Satan. Oh no, witch was a vague term that they could interpret as they please. Included in those murdered and their properties seized were the Templar Knights, an order who had individually declared vows of poverty to maintained the pilgrimage route to the holy land. Their crime was in that so many nobels donated so much money to the cause that it was nearly as wealthy as the Catholic Church.
How about if I drop another fly in the ointment? It concerns the Cherubium, which is rooted in the Hebrew word for "sword", as in the firey sword/cherubium God placed to prevent man's return to Eden. Cherubs are not the winged babies depicted in medievil, an accurate description appears in Ezekiel & the construction of both the Tabernacle & Solomon's Temple. Cherubium were God's Royal Gaurd. They had the face of a man, the face of an ox, the face of an eagle, and the face of a lion. Does that mean they looked like a totem pole? No. Face is a translated word with the same roots as facet as in a gem. One could also say "side" or "part". When you look at the description that way it clearly fits something a creature found in statues the ancients placed as gaurdians before temples & holy places. In Egypt, In Sumeria, In Chaldea, and embroidered on the viel (curtains) in the tabernacle and on either side and in miniture on the mercy seat of the Ark of the Covenant. A mythological, symbolic eagle-winged creature with a human head, the forebody of a lion and a bovine aft body. That is the answer to the riddle of the Sphynx.
Quick Correction, The Amenhotep who banished worship of all gods except Amen I was referring to was Amenhotep II, His grandson Amenhotep III supported this position. Amenhotep IV broke from this, had most references to Amen removed from edifaces, replaced Amen with a the sun-disk god Aten, & changed his name to Ahkenaten (He who is in service to Aten).
The worship of the god Amen goes back at least to the 5th dynasty. Perhaps as far back as prior to the 4rth dynasty's construction of the pyramids. This would place use of that particular God's name to within 400-500 years following the traditional time of the Antediluvian/Noachin Flood. As noted, Even in the Hebrew text, the Judea-Christian God was known by many names; Elohim (Which like the word Adamah AKA Adam is oddly plural), El, Yahweh (YHWH or YHVH, which became Jehovah with the old English soft "j" pronunciation of YHVH as "Yehovah"), Adonai (which usually replaces the unspeakable name for God, which the Greeks adopted into their divine pantheon as Adonis), Hashim, and at least 3 others that do not appear in the KJV. Could Amen be an ancient name for God lost to Jewish historical memory? It is certainly possibly, otherwise how else could it be accepted by Hebrews whose families suffered under a Pharonic King for the last 3 centuries. They had more just cause to be outraged to see an Egyptian God's name included in their holy writings in such a way as to seem an acknowledgement to whom they praying than Christians might.
What were the people doing, after they were brought out of Egypt, while Moses was up on the mountain?
Turning to other gods. So I see no problem for them to continue worshiping (amen-ra). I believe this is the reason all 3 religions use amen at the end of of their prayers.
Ah yes, you are refering to "The Golden Calf" story (Exod 32 & 33). This brings up the matter of the "True" authorship of passages in the Bible. Traditionally the Torah was said to have been written solely by Moses. However, after centuries of examination by theologians the actual authorship is generally accepted as broken down into 5 major sources:
- P=The Aaronide Priests-The High Priests, the only priests allowed to enter the Holy of the Holies to attend to God's "presence" on Earth via the Mercy Seat of the Ark of the Covenant & whom transported the Ark when needed.
- J=The Judean (Davidic) Royal Court-Primarily covering The Geneaological History & info from the king's scribes.-(i.e. "The Begats")
- E=The Levite Priests-Of the Tribe of Levi whom attended to the general duties for the Tabernacle & Temple
- D=The Primary Author of Deuteronomy-Attributed to Jeremiah or Baruch, son of Neriyah, Jeremiah's personal scribe.
- R=The Redactor-The Editor, said to be Ezra, an Aaronide Priest who creatively combined these various (& sometimes conflicting) writings into a single text, providing transitional passages to connect them (as needed).
The Golden Calf story came from the Levite priests, as did the story of Moses' brass serpent-headed staff, & every criticism of a king who allowed "high place" worship, although previously that was where all altars were built. This was understandable as the very survival of their families depended on their "cut" of the sacrifices, yet it was a big nation & not all families could afford to travel all the way to Jerusalem. It was for that reason the Shiloh priests order was formed to serve outlying communities.
The problem with the story is the question; "So why wasn't Aaron punished for making the icon?" Well, if you look at the preceding Aaronide Priest chapters (Exod 25-31), Aaron was directed to oversee the collection of the spoils of Egypt & the raw materials needed to start construction of the Tabernacle. Since the Levite Priests were not authorized to enter the Sanctum Sanctorum, they may have had no idea it was the sculpture of something with partially bovine features might be 1-of-2 Cherubium to be placed beside the Ark within.
Other notes which might have added to the confusion:
1) At the time, Apis, a fertility Bull God, was a minor competing God in that region.
2) Besides being connected to the sun, by combining Amen with the sun god Ra. Amen was also sometimes depicted as having a Bull's head or as a bull god. The god Min from Egypt's fourth dynasty, was also depicted as a white bull. (Following the "MN" consonent writing style discussed above; Min & Amen would be synonomous).
3) The letter "A" or "Aleph" originally appeared in merchant/trade symbology (possibly with the Phoeniceans) as a cow's head; written upside-down with the crossing middle line sticking beyond the sides.
4) The cow was an animal highly revered by most ancient peoples as a renewable source of various raw materials; milk, leather, meat, bone, remnants could be reduced to make soap, etc... In fact, very little was wasted, aside from blood which was considered to contain the holy essence of the animal's soul. This made blood a suitable item for sacrifice to most dieties.
5) The Greek phrase "I am the Alpha and the Omega", is philosophically accepted as meaning "God is in Everything", because these letters begin & end the Greek alphabet. The concept being that everything that can be given a name proceeds from the grace God. What may not help matters is that in Greek; Alph means "Ox" & Omega means "Great". Also problematic is that the last letter in the Hebrew alphabet is "Tau" or "T", which refers to the universe being divided into "4 directions".
Kevin M. suggests: “God the creator of all has gone by many names "I AM" "Jehovah" etc. every name given in scripture should not be scrutinized by the faithful"
WOW! So scripture should not be scrutinized. I see just swallow everything. Yes Kevin, Don't Think—it just might wake us up to the fact that all religions are just comforting myths that attempt to define the Creator; a Creator that is beyond our ability to comprehend.
God is unknowable. What all the Egyptian discussion means to me is that for all of time Man has a need to develop a definitive construct of 'The All That IS" so he can ease his tiny mind.
What saddens me is that throughout history we have killed each other over the particulars of these various myths--how very sad.
As it is written in The Tao Te Ching:
The tao that can be told
Is not the eternal tao
The name that can be named
Is not the eternal name
The unnamable is the eternal real
Naming is the origin
Of all particular things
Amen is a Semitic word (Aramaic)...the Egyptian God (Amun-Ra) is quite different. Ancient Egyptian was an Afro-Asiatic language, and the God Amun, I believe, originated out of the Berber pantheon.
So there's really no connection. Also, keep in mind when you say we shouldn't use the names of 'pagan' Gods that the story of Jesus likely originated from the Zoroastrian legend of Ahura Mazda. So it's kind of a moot point.
"I've always been a man of God, God's green..and he folds."
god isn't real anyway so who cares.
NO MATTER WHAT HIS NAME IS, YOU DONT GO KILLIN IN HIS NAME... THERE IS NO 2 WAYS ABOUT IT, BUT YOU HAVE A GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO DEFEND YOURSELF THO. PREPARE TO DEFEND YOURSELVES.
THE TIME IS NEAR!
Dear Bro. & Sis. In Christ. Greetings in the name of our Lord & Savior Yeshua (Jesus Christ). I am not on here to hack, cut, or judge anyone, but only to present a few Bible truths. First of all God did not call any of us to argue or fight over His Word. But He did say in (Prov. 30:6): Add not unto His Words,(Plural)lest He reprove thee, and thou be found a Liar. KJV. Now to speak of the word Amen. It was and still is ordained of God by Him and in His Word also. Here are a few scriptures to confirm that. (Deut.27:15-26; 1Chr. 16:36; and Neh.5:13; 8:6) I wish you all a great and glorious day in the Lord. Sincerely Rev. Freddie Stuck
This Rev. needs to do more study to see his errors!
He is not even using the right names, for the Messiah or the Almighty. Study to show thy self approved, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Egyptian religion was actually monotheistic, Amen was much like God, he was the universe and the creator. The other gods were simply manifestations of him. Could it be possible that Amen and God are the same god, just as Jews, Muslims, and Christians all have the same god? Amen could be Yehowah worshiped differently.
Malachi 3:6 For I Yehowah, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
God cannot change, but people's perception of him can. Amen could be an Egyptian misconception of God, or their interpretation of God. If god cannot change that does not necessarily mean people will not view God in a different manner, give God a new name, and add their own mythology.
>Amen could be an Egyptian misconception of God
Or it could be your judeo-christian misconception of Amen-Ra. If you think you have it right, you're sadly mistaken.
@ Havoc
Could you reword that? I didn't understand what you said.
I'm actually not Jewish or Christian by the way.
This is also not my opinion, but an plausible explanation.
Hebrews 11:6 But without faith impossible to please : for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Deuteronomy 4:29 But if from thence thou shalt seek Yehowah thy God, thou shalt find , if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
2 Chronicles 12:14 And he did evil, because he prepared not his heart to seek Yehowah.
Amen is Yahovah.the living God
The Almighty's name is YHWH (Yehowah). There is no other name.
DAEMON=AMUN=AMEN=DEMON(modern)
DAEVA=DIVA(modern)
In Egypt originally Amun was believed to be the Creator of all, the one god above all others , in all general reasoning he is the same "almighty" the christians and muslims worship, that is why we use his name after praying
There is only one Almighty and his name is Yehowah, and no
other name would be acceptable.
God also said to Moses, "Say this to the Israelites: Yahweh, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever; this is how I am to be remembered in every generation. (Exodus 3:15)
Although I do see corruption/addition/subtraction in the Bible, I am in agreement with 'ro-jo-yo'. We never told by Yahweh/(IEUE/YHWH when said phonetically) (or anyone speaking for Him), that He is ALSO called 'Amen/Amun' - but I do see these words historically originating from the Egyptians.
The Egyptians were the people that our Almighty Creator had to rescue the Israelites FROM!
Moses was with the Egyptians during the 18th Dynasty - during this period their were many Pharaohs with names that had 'amen' included in them - so if it's right, why did our Father rescue/take us (Israelites) out of them?
The 18th dynasty was at the start of a period known as 'The New Kingdom', it continued through to the 20th. Through military dominance abroad, the New Kingdom gained the most teritory. It expanded far into Nubia in the south, and held wide territories in the Near East. Egyptian armies fought with Hittite armies for control of modern-day Syria.
Akhenaten, who was first known as AMENhotep IV, later worshipped the Aten. Aten was recognised as the overall creator and is often interpreted as the first instance of monotheism. The famous TutenkAMEN (his son), was first called TutenkATEN, however - after his fathers death either he or (as he was young)changed it to Tutenkamen.
Akhenaten was possibly the one who Moses interacted with, possibly accounting for the reason he changed his name from AMENhotep(IV). Below are given the names of the previous Pharaohs - please note the AMEN (capitalised) in their names.
Nebpehtire AhMose I.
AhMosis I (Successor to KAMose).
Djeserkare AMENhotep I 1541-1520
Aakheperkare Thutmose I 1520-1492
Aakheperenre Thutmose II 1492-1479
(a)MENkheperre Thutmose III 1479-1425
Maatkare Hatshepsut 1473-1458
Aakheperrure AMENhotep II 1425-1400
(a)MENkheperure Thutmose IV 1400-1390
Nebmaatre AMENhotep III 1390-1352
Neferkheperure-waenre AMENhotep IV 1352-1334
Later changed to Akhenaten. He was a Monotheist. His original name means "Amun is pleased."
Ankhkheperure Smenkhkare 1334-1333 Co-regent and successor of Akhenaten.
Nebkheperure Tutankhaten/Tutankhamun 1324-1320 Commonly believed to be the son of Akhenaten, probably reinstated the polytheistic religion and the name change reflects the change in primary deity from Aten to Amun.
We should study and verify the absolute truth - and not rely on information and advice from other third parties, my final words- LET IT BE SO (I understand that).
It has been a while since someone commented here but the link is still active on Google.....
CLEARLY STATED IN THE BILBE...in at least 2 places in the New Test-amen-t for all you born agains who don’t believe in the old Test-amen-t…..
All Christians, Jews, & Muslims worship Amen Ra (who is God from KMT not Egypt) as their true God and emphatically call his name when in or ending a prayer.
Amen Ra (Amen the hidden aspects of God Ra the visible aspects of God or the sun at night & the sun during the day) has existed for ions before there was ever an Egyptian or a Hebrew. Hmmm
In case you never noticed you are reading the
TEST-AMEN-T go figure.... from the The Halls of AMENT? Well maybe you missed that history class too.
Hmmm
OK here goes:
2 Corintians 1:20 For no matter how many promises God has made they are "yes" in Christ And so through him the "Amen" is spoken by us to the glory of God.
If I may, here the Amen is a being not describing an expression or Jewish/Hebrew/Christian/Muslim word, (Again) The Amen is spoken by us to glorify our God.
# 2 in case your still a little fuzzy...
Revalation 3:14 To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:
These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of Gods creation.
Ahhh probably just a typo;
Hey what came first the dinosaur or the ark!!!! Just kidding relaaaaaax...
There really is nothing wrong with being a sun worshipper if you know what sun your worshipping……hmmmm
While we are the topic of worshipping enough with all the Jesus worship hype already…..Please try to read the bible before you thump it…..
Here goes…
John 5:41
In the words of Jesus Christ himself:
I do not accept praise from men, but I know you.
If you still don’t get it read from John 5:31
I love you
Jeffery
I have read all comments. And there's more than enough evidence that proves where Christianity, Judaism and Islam originated from. So my question is, why are we still fighting?
My idea of God is not the idea of these impious religions nowadays.
To quote Thomas Paine, "Were man impressed as fully and as strongly as he ought to be with the belief of a God, his moral life would be regulated by the force of that belief; he would stand in awe of God and of himself, and would not do the thing that could not be concealed from either. To give this belief the full opportunity of force, it is necessary that it acts alone. This is Deism. But when, according to the Christian Trinitarian scheme, one part of God is represented by a dying man, and another part, called the Holy Ghost, by a flying pigeon, it is impossible that belief can attach itself to such wild conceits. . . .
"The study of theology, as it stands in the Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion. Not anything can be studied as a science, without our being in possession of the principles upon which it is founded; and as this is not the case with Christian theology, it is therefore the study of nothing.
"Instead then of studying theology, as is now done out of the Bible and Testament, the meanings of which books are always controverted and the authenticity of which is disproved, it is necessary that we refer to the Bible of the Creation. The principles we discover there are eternal and of divine origin; they are the foundation of all the science that exists in the world, and must be the foundation of theology.
"We can know God only through His works. We cannot have a conception of any one attribute but by following some principle that leads to it. We have only a confused idea of His power, if we have not the means of comprehending something of its immensity. We can have no idea of His wisdom, but by knowing the order and manner in which it acts. The principles of science lead to this knowledge; for the Creator of man is the Creator of science, and it is through that medium that man can see God, as it were, face to face."
On May 12, 1797 while living in Paris, France Tom Paine wrote the following letter to a Christian friend who was trying to convert Paine to Christianity. Paine's response fits perfectly with this page regarding the origins of the Bible.
"In your letter of the twentieth of March, you give me several quotations from the Bible, which you call the Word of God, to show me that my opinions on religion are wrong, and I could give you as many, from the same book to show that yours are not right; consequently, then, the Bible decides nothing, because it decides any way, and every way, one chooses to make it.
"But by what authority do you call the Bible the Word of God? for this is the first point to be settled. It is not your calling it so that makes it so, any more than the Mahometans calling the Koran the Word of God makes the Koran to be so. The Popish Councils of Nice and Laodicea, about 350 years after the time the person called Jesus Christ is said to have lived, voted the books that now compose what is called the New Testament to be the Word of God. This was done by yeas and nays, as we now vote a law.
"The Pharisees of the second temple, after the Jews returned from captivity in Babylon, did the same by the books that now compose the Old Testament, and this is all the authority there is, which to me is no authority at all. I am as capable of judging for myself as they were, and I think more so, because, as they made a living by their religion, they had a self-interest in the vote they gave.
"You may have an opinion that a man is inspired, but you cannot prove it, nor can you have any proof of it yourself, because you cannot see into his mind in order to know how he comes by his thoughts; and the same is the case with the word revelation. There can be no evidence of such a thing, for you can no more prove revelation than you can prove what another man dreams of, neither can he prove it himself.
"It is often said in the Bible that God spake unto Moses, but how do you know that God spake unto Moses? Because, you will say, the Bible says so. The Koran says, that God spake unto Mahomet, do you believe that too? No.
"Why not? Because, you will say, you do not believe it; and so because you do, and because you don't is all the reason you can give for believing or disbelieving except that you will say that Mahomet was an impostor. And how do you know Moses was not an impostor?
"For my own part, I believe that all are impostors who pretend to hold verbal communication with the Deity. It is the way by which the world has been imposed upon; but if you think otherwise you have the same right to your opinion that I have to mine, and must answer for it in the same manner. But all this does not settle the point, whether the Bible be the Word of God, or not. It is therefore necessary to go a step further. The case then is: -
"You form your opinion of God from the account given of Him in the Bible; and I form my opinion of the Bible from the wisdom and goodness of God manifested in the structure of the universe, and in all works of creation. The result in these two cases will be, that you, by taking the Bible for your standard, will have a bad opinion of God; and I, by taking God for my standard, shall have a bad opinion of the Bible.
"The Bible represents God to be a changeable, passionate, vindictive being; making a world and then drowning it, afterwards repenting of what he had done, and promising not to do so again. Setting one nation to cut the throats of another, and stopping the course of the sun till the butchery should be done. But the works of God in the creation preach to us another doctrine. In that vast volume we see nothing to give us the idea of a changeable, passionate, vindictive God; everything we there behold impresses us with a contrary idea - that of unchangeableness and of eternal order, harmony, and goodness.
"The sun and the seasons return at their appointed time, and everything in the creation claims that God is unchangeable. Now, which am I to believe, a book that any impostor might make and call the Word of God, or the creation itself which none but an Almighty Power could make? For the Bible says one thing, and the creation says the contrary. The Bible represents God with all the passions of a mortal, and the creation proclaims him with all the attributes of a God.
"It is from the Bible that man has learned cruelty, rapine, and murder; for the belief of a cruel God makes a cruel man. That bloodthirsty man, called the prophet Samuel, makes God to say, (I Sam. xv. 3) `Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.'
"That Samuel or some other impostor might say this, is what, at this distance of time, can neither be proved nor disproved, but in my opinion it is blasphemy to say, or to believe, that God said it. All our ideas of the justice and goodness of God revolt at the impious cruelty of the Bible. It is not a God, just and good, but a devil, under the name of God, that the Bible describes.
"What makes this pretended order to destroy the Amalekites appear the worse, is the reason given for it. The Amalekites, four hundred years before, according to the account in Exodus xvii. (but which has the appearance of fable from the magical account it gives of Moses holding up his hands), had opposed the Israelites coming into their country, and this the Amalekites had a right to do, because the Israelites were the invaders, as the Spaniards were the invaders of Mexico. This opposition by the Amalekites, at that time, is given as a reason, that the men, women, infants and sucklings, sheep and oxen, camels and asses, that were born four hundred years afterward, should be put to death; and to complete the horror, Samuel hew
Oh I am so glad to read every one's comments. I grew up in the south of the United States I was given only one choice of religion! Every time I thought for myself or questioned the bible I was attacked verbly and accused of being possesed by demons! I have been reading about all main and smaller religions of the world. Quite fascinating. I have read the bible from front to back and agree with Thomas Paine. I came across the site in search of agruement on the AMEN. I thank all of you to help me better debate the term/name AMEN. Continue in your quest for knowledge do not accept other's final word....think for your self!!!!!
so perhaps it's about time , people realized where their faiths originated.
Been away from This topic for a while & just re-stumbled upon it. To address some posts since:
"The Rev" was correct. Again we are faced with linguistic pride & stubborness. Under primary discussion was what's in a name & once again those who do not want to hear the truth take the infantile approach of covering their ears, and repeating their doctrinal mantra. It's the old mindset; "What I accept to believe, is the only acceptable belief." Thoughout history war has reigned happily, innocents slaughtered, & entire cultures irrevocably erased over such trivial pig-headed ignorances. And to the victor goes the spoils and the right to rewrite history.
The man known as Jesus was first & foremost, a Jew. When a culture is dislocated from their homelands it is tradition for families to maintain their culture while adopting to their new communities. The Jews were particularly insistant in this and educated their children in speading, reading, & writing the Hebrew language. Without which, they would have been unable to understand their own religious text. Which is why it still survives some 2050 years after the final fall of Jerusalem to the Romans. His Hebrew birth name was "Yeshua", in the Aramaic community this became "Ieshua", in the Latin it is translated as "Jeshua or Joshua", in the Greek transliteration of the Jewish & Aramaic writings his name become "Jesus".
Yes, technically "Amen" was identified as a translation for one of the KMT hieroglyphs, But that is only based on linking that hierogylphic symbol to the common Egyptian language used to refer to it at a later date via linguistical "reverse engineering" provided by the Rossetta Stone. We have no idea how that particular symbol would have been written in long-form or how it would have been pronounced at the time of it's first use. Which is why I referred to it's common usage dating to circa the 4rth dynasty. As noted above it could have been any of the following consonent-vowel combinations; "Amen", "Amon", "Amun", "Amin", "Amown", "Mn", "Man", Men", "Min", "Mon", or something altogether different.
"Daemon" is a Chaldean word which can best be translated as; "Those who descended from above" and reads much like 20th century science fiction. As i stated previously, the Chaldeans were a Semetic race closely related by their cultural roots to what would become the Hebrews, and others of that region. The word Daemon existed in their priestly writings in reference to heavenly emmissaries (angels?) that came to earth to teach their ancesters the secrets of fire, agriculture, writing, mathematics, a monothesiastic religion, ceremonial burial, & law-making. The very basics of civilization.
Yet it seems other forces did not approve of such tampering with a primative society (to coach it in "Star Trek" terms; it violated the "Prime Directive"). Great battles could be seen from the Earth's surface as war was waged in the heavens. Daemon visitations waned.
In comparative theology; we find similar narrative in "The Watchers" stories from the "Book of Enoch", which is referenced repeatedly in the Torah, yet which was unexplainably heavily edited out and appears in only a few passages concerning "The Nephilim", which Christianity & some Jewish sects mistakenly transliterated as "Giants of Old". In Christian doctrine, this associated the Nephilim on one hand; with Satan & the fallen angels & on the other hand; with the likes of Golliath & his breed whom fought alongside the Philistines.
So how did "Daemons" become "Demons"?
In ancient times, where every community had their own Gods, fetishes, and/or rites, when one culture defeated another there were a few ways of achieving harmonious co-existance:
1) To eliminate rebellion & nurture a more powerful nation that could continue conquests:
- a) The gods and belief systems were homogenized into an even more powerful hybrid god & rituals.
- b) The "new" god(s) were absorbed into a pantheon.
2) If the conquering force was vastly superior, the God(s)and rituals of the defeated were outlawed and eliminated through crossbreeding.
3) As for those enemies who were unconquerable due to near equality of the capability of waging war, the long-standing tradition of "The God(s) of my enemies is/are a(n) anti-God(s) of my people." kicks in:
- a) The enemy's God(s) is declared a Devil
- b) The God(s)' angels are declared evil minions set on corrupting our people.
- c) Anyone caught (or accused of) practicing religious rites or invocations of the enemy's diety or it's minions is guilty of the capital crime of heresey, punishable by death.
- d) Anyone caught (or accused of) fraternizing with the enemy, to include engaging in merchantile business ventures is guilty of the capital crime of treason, also punishable by death.
- e) Any enemy citizens caught within our territories, regardless of age or sex, is guilty of the capital crime of spying, also punishable by death.
Due to seperate evolution, the Hebrew religion & dogma developed along different lines from that of the Chaldeans. Irreconceivable differences developed & the Chaldeans began to be viewed as enemies. This is very similar to the vaste rift between Catholicism & Protestants. When the Greeks, became enamoured with Jewish legends & mythologies, "Daemons" became "Demons".
Many are ignorant of the roots of the traditions, doctrine, & dogma of their religions. I noticed the word Messiah used. Do you even know what that word means? It is generally accepted to translate out to "The Anointed One". In other words "a king" as it was traditional that all kings were ritually annointed under the rites of their god. The name comes from the Egyptian word "Messah" & was the name for an oil reduced from the fat of crocodiles which symbolically, when applied to a man, would presumably transfer to them the croc's strength & sexual prowess. So the concept of a Messiah is that of a virilent warrior king who would overcome all adversaries. This may help to explain in part to Christians why Jews universally accept that Jesus was indeed a very holy man & rabbi, yet failed to meet the criteria contained within the texts of THEIR prophecies. Muslims have a simular opinion of Jesus. Don't get me wrong, it is indeed possible that the entity so named Jesus might return and fulfill ALL prophecies. Yet having studied them myself I must admit that they were certainly not fulfilled during the first coming. Despite Saul of Tarsus' attribution & incorporation of Isaiah's prophecies in his writings, he failed to include a great many others. And yes I've seen the Christian claims of all the prophecies Jesus was said to have fulfilled, yet one needs to understand that list bears little resemblance to those written prior to Jesus' birth. In fact, it was composed by the Christian church around the 5th century to refute Jewish claims.
Sorry but the use of the word "Amen" predates Arimathea by centuries. It's not uncommon for later cultures to adopt & incorporate words not found in their language, much like the brand name for Coca-cola in French is "un Coca-cola".
Similar mythologies in other cultures of that time include; 1) The Egyptian stories about Thoth, 2) The Greek story of Prometheus & his punishment for teaching the secret of fire to mankind, 3) & the legends of the Titans (amongst others). The notion of Heavenly visitation contimued through the ages. Today in the "New Age", we still find reports of otherworldly paranormal activities in UFO sightings, crop circles & first person "contactee" reports. Most of these are not viewed as miracles or visions as they would have been in ancient times. Instead it is suggested that these people are either lying or "mentally-challenged" & a policy of ridicule is initiated.
To my knowledge, the only modern recent event to be given any serious world-wide attention & accepted as a miracle was that of "Our Lady of Fatima", which was initially suppressed by the fascist local government. As it's message was highly supportive of Catholicism, it was accepted by the Vatican.
In statements found in texts, which the Counsel of Nicea (under c
The reason we use the word Amen at the end of our prayers is because the Jews were the "Hyksos" aka the Shepard Kings of the 13th dynasty in Egypt they were Caucasian foreign rulers who rulled Egypt from the 13th dynasty until they were driven out by the black natural born egyptians in the 15th dynasty. The number 13 in numerology stands for rebellion. 13 colonies rebelled against the King of England being led by the early masonic leaders of the US. The forefathers.
If you believe the bible stories you will be believing a lie a billions do that was perpetrated by the Jews Hyksos to rule the world. Which they have done quite well by controlling all the world on 3 planes. religion , finance , miliraty . the jews are 3 people they have they're own nation, Israel. theyre own religion judiasim , & they have they're own ethnicity. Not all jews are religious but all work toward the same goal of controlling the world. Thus they are not one group but many 333 x 2 = 666 They have created all the worlds religions including Christianity, Judiasim, Islam, Mormons & Jehovas witness . The latter two through the Masons.the masons were created by the Jews.aka the Hyksos. The hyksos were the worlds first terrorists. They burned egypt from within & while the egyptians slept killed the 1st born of all the household of egypt. Which would be eask to do considering they were living in the same household as servants.
They re wrote the bible several times & translated it into different languages then destroying the original text as to refine prophetic events & make them look more real. The last time was by the Masorites in 800 AD.
They worshiped the sun god in egypt & still worship him today. As can be seen by the pyramids & all the refrences to the numbers 3, 13, 33,
consider this
solomon rulled Israel for 33 years
his temple stood for 33 years
Jesus was 33 at crucifixtion
the bible is 66 books 33 x 2= 66
the pyramid has three sides 3 3 3
just like the jewish people.
The pyramid has 4 sides - it is technically a tetrahedron - tetra means "FOUR" just incase you didn't graduate grade 5.
Interesting comments and article which I have included in my article on my blob. I wanted to add that the name Amen is not in Genesis or Exodus of the OT in KJV.
If you do a search on line bible of the word Amen...it seems to be associated with a curse quite often! In Numbers 5:11-31 (King James Version) if a woman was suspected of sleeping with someone and causing jealousy. But of course it doesn't include a man going through the same ordeal which they use the name of the LORD , as if he said it. Why in the world would this curse be only for a woman and not a man if it were God that inspired this solution. This was inspired by Priests and not God...in my opinion.
Then Deuteronomy has many of the curses that end with Amen
15Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image, an abomination unto the LORD, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and putteth it in a secret place. And all the people shall answer and say, Amen.
16Cursed be he that setteth light by his father or his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen.
17Cursed be he that removeth his neighbour's landmark. And all the people shall say, Amen.
18Cursed be he that maketh the blind to wander out of the way. And all the people shall say, Amen.
19Cursed be he that perverteth the judgment of the stranger, fatherless, and widow. And all the people shall say, Amen.
20Cursed be he that lieth with his father's wife; because he uncovereth his father's skirt. And all the people shall say, Amen.
21Cursed be he that lieth with any manner of beast. And all the people shall say, Amen.
22Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen.
23Cursed be he that lieth with his mother in law. And all the people shall say, Amen.
24Cursed be he that smiteth his neighbour secretly. And all the people shall say, Amen.
25Cursed be he that taketh reward to slay an innocent person. And all the people shall say, Amen.
26Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.
I think this stuff was added by someone not in their right mind. That is my opinion!
Umm, most aspects of Christianity have been evolved from much earlier religions.
it's an evolution thats been going on for thousands of years.
you want to remove amen? u be wanting to remove most of the holidays, most of the churches in england because half of them were built on 'pagan sacred ground'.
it's the of the roman catholic church to absorb culture.
this is why the bible is full of errors and is only good for children.
This is a very interesting topic. I have been searching for answers to many things this being one of them. Very impressive arguments. I am confused and enlightened. What I find so interesting is the obelisks. The locations specifically. You have Spiritual, Financial, and Military. I must ask where does the Bank of International settlements come into play in the bible?
@ ro-jo-yo Actually, the Hebrew is AMN Aleph, Mem, Nun and is in fact a notariaqon for "God is our Faithful King" (Al Melech Neh-eh-mahn) The Egyptian connection is a common misunderstanding. Your concordance is not accurate. Ask any Rabbi and he will tellyou what I just told you.
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Irregardless, all three religions, Judaism, Muslims, and Christians end their prayers with the word Amen.
None end their prayer with "Al Melech Neheh-mahn"
I have to say that those who are educating the rest with HISTORICAL info. REALLY have it. I am actually reading about the Egyptian pharaoh Akhenaten and he was the son of AMENhotep III. His father was deified during his reign and Akhenaten, during his reign, declared a religion based on a MORE monotheistic religion- but it was NOT truely monotheisitc. Amenhotep III was identified with the sun's disk, Aten, that gave all life. The story of creation is as follows: The creator god, Atum, "gave birth to" or seperated from his son, Shu, who seperated from his twin sister, Tefnut. Amenhotep's ruling was known as the Amen (the hidden one) age, Amen-Ra being as his father and him being the sun's rays(Atem)- when Akhenaten ruled, he changed the religion to the Aten, based on their sun gods and his father being the sun gods rays... if you want to know more, read HISTORY books, NOT religious books. We all know that MAN wrote the bible and so it is fallable. If we today were to begin to write a book based on our dreams, legends, and stories of old, we would be told we were liars, dreamers, and wrong. Our work would be questioned and denied...and if we tried to write it over THOUSANDS of years and with many generations, and with mainly men writing it, there would be more laughter and denial= and rightly so. ESPECIALLY if the future writers swore it to be truth. Of course, if we wrote that it was wrong to question- wrong to deny, to ask certain questions, maybe we would be able to fool people too.The history of the bible is diluted at best, and only full of MORAL stories. One thing is for sure...no matter what religion one wants to believe in or hold on to- god does NOT need wood nor metal, walls nor roofs to teach to us what is truely good. god is in us, around us, because of us, and we are god. The energy we share is proof enough. When looking back through history one will find that most of what is believed to be god's doings and what is based on a christian belief (ex: Christmas, Sunday), was put in play by the church or a king to undermine, destroy, deny, and hide things. If more religious people Really looked at what is obvious and based on HISTORIC FACT, they could see how much of what is force-fed to them is a lie or misconstrued
Amen is both an English and Greek transliteration from the Hebrew 'amen'. The meaning is "so be it,","truth" or "surely." The Hebrew root word from which it is drawn ('aman') means "be faithful; be trustworthy."
So when someone says amen at the end of a prayer what they are saying is so be it, as in I agree with what was said in the prayer.
All I was looking for was a correlation between the meaning of the word and the Egyptian god. Why there is one word with two meanings that contradict themselves. For those of you who stayed on track with the subject at hand, you didn't even point out the Hebrew meaning; instead any germane comments focused on where the sun god amun derived from and how to spell its name. Please I would like some intellectual enlightenment.
There is no word needed at the end of your prayers to validate them before the father, son or holy spirit. Your heart is already known. Truth and Love are all that need be given with your words, Faith will deliver them for you....sacrifice yourself and be rewarded with what you walk away with. We must never give up we must die trying. If you want to get closer to god put your heart there and as the saying goes if your heart is in the right place....you will get there will you not, maybe faster than you think.
We must bear ourselves as Jesus bore the cross. We must do this to honour Gods sacrifice to us. Be true to what you are. You are a being of love and truth above all else this is what you are. You know this to be true within your heart. No matter how long you fight this it shall remain. When you are kind, loving and truthfull toward all things you swell up inside with a feeling of greatness and when you do the opposite you not only know it is wrong because you feel it is you feel a plethora of harmfull things like guilt, regret, doubt, even pain to name a few. These feelings are destructive to yourself and all else. However when you are kind, loving and truthfull you feel a constuctive force that starts to build you up higher and higher affecting all else. If we were to be kind, loving and truthfull we would find a happiness our reality cannot comprehend as we currently exist. It is our nature to be kind loving and truthfull it is the key to the locked doors the end of pain and suffering for an entire planet and it is simple the truth always is right in front of you, under your nose, within you etc.....it is the light in which we were created and in which we must stand in to be seen by god
Like the Hebrews, the ancient Egyptians didn't use vowels to spell except at the beginning or end of a word. Amun Amen or Amon are all accepted spellings.
By the way. The word God comes from early germanic and was neuter so refers to both male and female deities. It's best not to get hung up on words. It's the intention in our hearts that matters. Didn't St Paul say " The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Like the Hebrews, the ancient Egyptians didn't use vowels to spell except at the beginning or end of a word. Amun Amen or Amon are all accepted spellings. In Aramaic, the word that is translated as Kingdom in the Lord's Prayer is feminine in gender so actually means "Queendom".
By the way. The word God comes from early germanic and was neuter so refers to both male and female deities. It's best not to get hung up on words.
It's the intention in our hearts that matters. Didn't Saint Paul say " The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
@ro-jo-yo. Hi ro jo I just wanted yo know, is it good practice to pray and if so, how?
hi .. I'm Egyptian .. nice discussion but i wanted to ask something .. can anyone speak the old Egyptian language ? may be Amun sounded differently
As a priest of "Amen," the word itself has never had anything to do with "evil." History, "actual" history, not Hebrew mumbo-jumbo teaches us that within the ancient Egyptian language, the name of the Lord of Creation could have been pronounced in many different ways depending on the "dynasty" to which it is attached. To say that it is "Amun" and not "Amen" is like saying Adonai is not Jehovah or Yahweh of which in retrospect, the God of the Hebrews had many names depending on the era to which you refer to. Evil attributed to the Gods of ancient Egypt comes from "prejudice" by peoples subject to their rule over them and has no bearing upon actual "fact." Egyptians were well known to accept foreigners into their country and loved to share what they had. In the end, it lead to their demise by those who were "truly" evil. As for the Lord's prayer to which Jesus or "Yeshua bin Amen" referred to, he did end it with the name of the Lord of Egyptian faith, to wit only an intelligent person would recognize it. A wise person would also recognize that much of what Jesus taught comes out of the compiliation Ani wrote around 1240 b.c. now called the "Book of the Dead." If you SEEK as Jesus stated, you will find his wisdom within this book and not the books of the Israelites. If there is evil to be recognized study your history to SEE who the ancient Hebrews were before being held as slaves to Egypt for alittle over 250 years (not 430 as written in Hebrew script) THEY were the conquered who ruled Egypt for 108 years. A peoples ancient history refers to as the "Hyksos." A mean and ruthless peoples who would kill not just their enemies but the old, and children as well. History records the very same behaviors of the ancient "HEBREWS." To date most of us who are not Jewish are referred to as "gentiles" or NOT the peoples of their GOD. From it's own ruthlessness, who would want to be, ANYWAY?
RELIGION RE-LEGION YOU SERVE THE IMAGE OF YOUR CONQUERERS RE-LEGIONIZING.HOW MANY OF US HAS BEEN RE-LEGIONIZED?EAT THE FISH WITH OUT SWALLOWING THE BONES HOTEP!
the god amen is the the king of the gods and he is the father of RA the Egyptian god but the Egyptian used to say the father name first then the son name, "Amen RA"
at the end of evrey pryr the egyption use to say "O'Amen" O'Amen which makes it clear whay we say amen in a high long soud at the start of the word A^men, due to the hebrow acssent. and ferther more the word have been taken from the egyption first and the Jews started using it then the Christians then the muslims whithout qustioning it at all,like priests they first started by the Egyptians then the Christians took that from them, and that way u are not allowed to quastion any thing pepole just take things without looking at it and ask why is it there.
all religions have effecting each other one way or the other.. so if u believe in god I say don't used it, and another thing why u need to say amen if u it is not the name of god, explain that
My friends Our God can't be named, We here name ourselves, and the animals. Amen has been sungod in Egipt, and the Egyptian pharaohs
worshiped that sungod. The Holy Roman Empire worshiped that sungod, and in today days the Royalty - the Holy Roman Church, - and the American billionaires are worshiping that sungod. Ask yourselves why in the jewish torah the 7 day of the week is "saturday" - the day for worshiping GOD, --- and in our society (SUN)DAY is the 7th day of the week, and the catholics, royalty, and the world leaders are worshiping God on (SUN)DAY.???????
whats he sayed about Amen is true is in the free mason bible
So how can one truely argu correct or incorrect when it is admitted that the TRUE vowel and placement and are not set in solid stone with "experts"? Makes no sense God states that he isnt in the midst of confusion snd PEOPLE are obviously still confused about something they are arguing so strongly to b TRUTH
Amun was worshipped in the 4th nome of Upper Egipt called Karnak or Waset which is Nubia or Sudan today. At this time he was a fertility deity. In time he replaced Montu the deity of war. Amun was represented as a human with a rams head or a ram wearing a triple crown. The europeans started the Ram Cult using a Ram or Goat, from the masonic order they started using Baphomet, which is french for Mohemed (Muhammad) "one who is worthy of praise". They worship the Ram or Goat head as the 5 pointed star which is the Pentagram, Egiptian star, Pentagon which is the Seat of War. Matt 2:2 refers to Jesus as the Star coming out of the East (Eastern Star).
In time Amun became a deity of agriculture. He became popular with the Pharoahs and as a result of their influence he became a sun deity. As his power spread the priests proclaimed him Creator of the Universe, Master of Time. He became a more powerful manifestation of the sun deity RA or RE and became Amun RA.
Amun who is called Amen, Amon Nui, Ameen, Al Mumin is still worshipped today by jews, christians and muslims alike. All their prayers end with his name which means "faith" or "faithful one". Rev 3:14 'These things saith The Amen, THE FAITHFUL and true witness, the beginning of the creation of deity'. The root of the name is AMN from this you get Amun, Amen as the supreme being. He was considered an abstract entity over all the Egiptian deities even RA himself, all being different manifestations of Amun. He was the deity "who resides in all things"
Judaism, Christianity and Islaam are all rooted from the Egiptian "mystery" system. This is why all the major prophets lived and studied in Egipt. They teach you not to study Egipt because you will see the true roots of these religions.
People are posting that Gods name is this or that, Why would God have a name? WHO would have named him? For what purpose? If God had a name then he would be at your command ie if your name is Jack and i call out "Jack" then i am commanding your attention. God is not at our commands but rather it should or would be us at his command. Believe what you will but the reality is that you exist, the planet exists, the sun exists and they are created by the nature of nature which is existence. Prove that their is a man who is EVERYWHERE but lives IN (inside, confined) heaven?? and tests you even though he knows the result BEFORE he tests you....what would be the purpose???? OPEN YOUR MINDS!!!!!!!
who said that this god is not the god of the jews god never sid he was not pagan and the word pagan means farmer it is not a religous statement. No one can go to the father except through the sun. the pagan god was the sun god.jesus also says not to pray like the hethen and to say that pray now the bible got jesus words worng when he said to pray that way. It seems to me that all religous people try to use the bible to back up wrongs and if you have to check then you propableknow that you our wrongso is the bible true are is it not the truth is nobody knows.who is to say that the god of iseral was not a pagan god and since the god of iserila came out of egypt then it only make since that he would be an egyption god. He only named himself the god of jerusluim after they created jeruslum not before. do you not think that the bible say that gods sons found the women of earth to be fair and came down and mated with them.so, how can there not be more then one god if he had sons and that is in the old testiment during the creation of the world. It also says god created the heavens and the earth and everyhting in them thy lord thy god does not come in until the garden of eden which after he cast adam out were did his son get there wifes did they marry there sister oh god must have made more people and forgot to mention it in the bible. sounds like to me brothers and sisters were just fighting like they often d god clear states there is more then one in the bible and they were called his sons and this was long before jesus. so ,does that not make more then one god. It would have to be god and his sons unless of course the bible is completely wrong and how would god make his sons i guess he would have to have a mother.Like mother marrty. I was told a story omnce about two gods that were marrioed one god cheated on the other god and thiscreated a war in heaven.so, maybe all the other gods were gods sons. and you can read the story of creation and it sould back up this belief as all people try to back up all beliefs with the bible. so, if you don't say Amen according to the bible you are hipocrite.Verliy verliy I say unto you do not pray like the hipocrates in the synogoes who think the will be heard for there vain speach ,but prey you fathers who art in heavens pray. so, are you calling god a liar if so that kinda makes the bible void. It can not be truth if some of it is a lie. the only thing god said in that bible was the ten commandments and that is the only thing that came straight from the horse mouth and how can you have other gods before him if there is no other gods. What gods i thought there was none!!!
amun-ra and yahweh are both one and the same
Yes, fully support about we must not use this pagan word. Before we open our mouth to pray, the Creator, Father in heavens, already knows what we wish and need. So, we don't need to end our prayer with this pagan word. This pagan word widely use in several religions including Christianity, Islam and Judaism.
Ah, Exodus 23:13, love that scripture. Since most of us here know that our Father's real name is Yahuwah and His Son's name is Yahushua, we should also know the "god" is actually the name of a babylonian deity of fortune, hence why it's on the U.S dollar bill. And "lord" means Ba'al.
If you love that scripture, I suggest that you study more earnestly, because your conclusion of the Almighty's name is incorrect. I feel that His name is the most important name to know. And his name is Yehowah.
Who you (servant of Yahuwah) are following, I don't know. You are trying to lure and lead people off track and astray. It is not a very wise thing to do.
Only the truth is the truth!!
read revealations 3:13-14 this explains what amen said and what amen witnessed. acts 10:38-40 tells u yahushua was hung.africans shouldnt except yahusha or yehowah.arius said at the second council of nicea that lesus was serapis christus and was found innocent for sayinh there was a time when he was not.paul dosen't take the teachings of jesus through kemet cause they have horus."egyptians seen the revealation of jehova to b theri stolen science
If people really wanted to say "so be it" and regard it as some kind of act of faith, they could say "so be it"in whatever language they speak. Saying the name of the Egyptian god does seem strange. How is the prayer of an pagan Egyptian to Amen any different than the same words said by someone claiming to be a Christian? Did Moses end his prayers with the name of the Egyptian god Amen? Did Moses pray to Amen? Maybe this situation is adding to the Crisis in faith in the Catholic Church?
ra a pagan sun god was added to amen the hidden god the creator as a second deity. so ra is the light of the world the solar sun that the egyptians saw in nature through the sun rays and the life it brings. so they worshipped the creation and they fell into paganism and polytheism.
King James did what he did to keep all the good little slaves in line? Most of the nt was written by James telling us to be good slaves. The old testement tells us we will earn our keep by our keep from theyoke and sweat from our brows. I you know somebody do you need to open a book to tell someone about them? I know GOD he is me and he is you together the all mighty is completed. We all use the universal laws that goven us.No matter what we must stand together other wise we will faulter.We were made by Enkie ANU'S son who came from Wormwood (Nibiru). Check out the elongated skulls found from all over the world. Check out the giants that have been found.Having said this the are all still our brothers.I believe the the heightest GOD of all who the master of the complete universe of universes. The most high who govens all law. NB!I know my spelling is bad but that does not make this some of the truth. Keep an open mind ne child like. Take a look I know this might change what you believe but do not let cognitive disordance distort the truth. in love I write this to you all.
It is true, the wicked try all the time to deceive us. I don't use amen anymore.
The fact of the matter is that, the name Amen also know as Jesus Christ, are false names.
The true name of the Almighty is Yehowah, and the true name of the Messiah is Yehowshuwa.
This is why all churches are false, they are indoctrinating everyone into worshiping Satan, the highest angel who is out to deceive everyone.
ro-jo-yo- i have been researching on this subject for quite some time and i have to agree with you. Wh at is funny about this is people continue to hold on to their beliefs irregardless of the evidence or facts to the contrary. 5 minutes of research will point you in the right direction, just search for amen on wikipedia in the 7th paragraph it clearly states the belief that amen is in reverence to the egyptian god amun. Opposers to this belief will claim that the egyptian god's name is amun NOT amen, but another 5 minutes of research will disprove that. search wikipedia for amenhotep it definition clearly states: Amenhotep (?mn-?tp; “Amun is pleased”) was an ancient Egyptian name so if amen-hotep means amun is pleased it is obvious that amen is associated with the pagan god of the egyptions. What 99% of christian people do not understand is the meaning of transliteration, and the FACT that the ancient greek scribes changed the name of Yehowshuwa to Iesus or jesus in the bible. So if we know for a FACT that the bible has been tampered with is it not possible other name wer omitted, changed or added hence the "Amen". One other FACT is amen is a name that is why in the bible it is capitalized because it is a proper noun, if it truly meant: "So be it; truly" it would not be capitalized. ALL followers of the 1 true creator i ask to to look into this matter it is of utmost importance. Are we all giving power to a false god when we pray? If amen means truely then lets stop saying amen and at the end of our prayer simply say true. or truely. People all know and understand lucifer can and will decive the world, the problem with todays christians is they think we are somehow winning the war against evil, but if we open our eyes we start to realize that we are actually getting out butts handed to us. Knowledge is power and once we open our eyes we can make the changes necessary to free ourselves from the bonds of our slave masters.
Rochelle Frank 3 years ago
The Egyptian god of creation is Amun (not Amen)-- meaning crowned with feathers. But maybe I shouldn't mention it.